I wonder, Cat, have you taken a DNA Test? So none of this can be proven or dis-proven and anyone who wants to verify their link to the Cherokee needs to do so for present day and post Sequoyah but their Colonial history is lost to the sands of time. 1,645 followers. I would appreciate any information about this couple. But, that is a whole other story as it turned out to be Choctaw. Thanks Amanda I appreciate your comments. Elizabeth Watts's income source is mostly from being a successful . Elizabeth Watts Schrack. How could this be if these people above say his father is/was from England? I have seen full-bloods who have virtually no idea of the great legacy entrusted to their care. recovering TV News Anchor The senior Watts, father of Young Tassell, served as the official British government Indian interpreter for the area until his death in 1779. Circumstantial evidence supports this marriage. But trying to find of there is a roll number. I've been researching the Moytoy line for some time. She died in 1814, in Cherokee, Choctaw, Alabama, United States, at the age of 63. 1718, Walker, AL-d. 1770, Bladen, NC) was 'born Cherokee' I am also interested in getting that proof. It sad because all the info is there. 5107126039. This website is a total fraud witn no proofs or substantial evidence. Elizabeth Watts, also known as "Wurte" Watts, was the supposed mixed-blood daughter of John Watts, a British government interpreter [known as "Old Forked Tongue Watts"], who died in 1770.Her mother was a sister of "Old Tassel", "Doublehead" and "Pumpkin Boy". How could this be if these people above say his father is/was from England? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1842_Slave_Revolt_in_the_Cherokee_NationYou should be too ashamed of your family name to even speak on who is and who isn't a real Cherokee. No images were found for this exact name. Cornblossom's descendants, through Katie Troxell, led to my East Tennesseean ancestors--Blevins and Buttram. Su-gi was Shawnee/Cherokee. This put the Cherokee closer to their Muscogee allies while shielding them from the westward expansion of the new United States. Ancestry dot com and other such sites just regurgitate old myths and family stories that are, more often than not, way off-base or flat-out untrue. Please only text me with a TRACEABLE phone number, and only if you have VERIFIABLE SOURCE information. even with all of the info, it means nothing to CN because they were not enrolled during the 7 years they require. clayjackie@bellsouth.net Jackie Owen Perry on face book, There is zero proof that "Moytoy" had any descendants. However, after the settlers had walked out, Doublehead's group and his Muscogee allies attacked and killed them. Don't have a clue what all that means? History can't be copyrighted. When ELIZABETH WATTS was born in 1755, in Cherokee, Washington, Tennessee, United States, her father, John Watts, was 31 and her mother, Tali Wurteh Red Paint Wadi, was 45. As with most early Cherokee women, almost nothing is known of the woman called "Wurteh Watts," the mother of Bob "The Bench" Benge. Evans, E. Raymond. William is a well-documented Virginian, DAR patriot # A033306, who left his property to his wife Elizabeth and sons including Moses (will is transcribed on his Wikitree profile). **Also known as Sally, Sookie, and Granny Hopper. The Booker line did intermarry with Cherokee. Both are on the Dawes Final Rolls out of Oklahoma. My mother's father, grandfather, & g. grandfather are all on the Dawes Final Rolls. I know, I told my son and he is proud as I am. Chiefs: Dragging Canoe (1777-1792) John Watts (1792-1802) Doublehead, brother of Old Tassel, served from 1802-1807 The Glass, or Ta'gwadihi (1807-1809) Cherokee Nation East (1794-1839) John Ross, c. 1866 Little Turkey was elected First Beloved Man of the . Ensign Thomas Ayres (to Oglethorpe) was of mixed blood but educated in England where his wealthy father, who was on the Georgia Board, found him a position with Oglethorpe. thats the link to my tree if you would like to view it. Territory-era (1940s-1980s) This section lists notable professional wrestling promoters during the "Golden Age of Professional Wrestling" following the creation of the National Wrestling Alliance (NWA) in 1948.While most promoters operated specific wrestling "territories" as members of the NWA, a number of so-called "outlaw" promotions were also prominent during this period. . Dave C Essary,his son,and Sarah Carter Essary reared my grandmother Minnie Malone (Essary), IN MY RECORDS SHE IS MARRIED T WILLIAM MCDANIEL DAUGHTER MARY MCDANIEL FATHER KANA-GATOGAWAS ESSARY FROM ANOTHER MARRIAGE? grandmother who was Caroline Carroll. Elizabeth Watts is an American Journalist currently working for KOAA News5 in Southern Colorado, as an anchor and reporter. My research has shown that Old hop Was considered cherokee his grandfather Thomas Corn planter Carpenter married a Shawnee woman who was adopted into the Cherokee. Read Watt's account. As a descendent of Attacullaculla (a member of the family by marriage, adoption, and possibly blood), family tradition often solves a lot of these problems. I couldn't help but notice that Amotoya's wife and me had the same name.. She got married had a daughter and named her Lucy ward the all. Yes, the Vanns held slaves, and it wasn't only four or five Cherokee families who did so. According to your site: "Later he was adopted by a man called Trader Tom Watts.,who was the friend and business partner of Thomas Pasmere Carpenter"How could Tom Watts have been a business partner of Thomas Carpenter? Redbird Sixkiller. I did the research of names that he shared with me and the best resource to share is Cherokee Lineages by James R. Hicks, Jr. via FamilyTreeMaker.com. CAN YOU PLEASE SHARE TO KARYNBISHOF10@GMAIL.COM. So, a few generations later, they actually saw the bonds as ones of family [which is the truth]. He was the father of Matoaka "Pocahontas" Powhatan. Do you have a Mary Evia Carter Essary? He and Elizabeth had five children, William Jr., Moses, Sally, Edward, and a brother name unknown, who was killed by Indians in 1777 while scouting for the Militia in Powells Valley There is nothing in any records to suggest that William ever lived anywhere except Virginia or had any wives other than Elizabeth. The removal was triggered by a small faction of Cherokee who made their own treaty with the U.S. government at New Echota, Georgia on December 29, 1835. #2 since so far back and DNA didn't show native Indian can I still apply? Moytoy pigeon of tellico had a daughter ani-ga-tage-wi moytoy whom married John Joseph Vann, they had a daughter Mary ottertail whom married 6x great grandfather Henry McGee. In fact, they were not allowed to be deeded land if Indian or Mixed Blood, or in Virginia, Black (all those of Indian and Mixed blood during one disgraceful era in the commonwealth's history). Every one of us searching needs encouraged, support, and guidance. Do you.have an actual family tree showing descendants? The peace party included Bob McLemore, Tahlonteeskee, Captain Charley of Running Water, and Doublehead, as well as the white delegates. Now I had the surname Moytoy I decided to check for matches on Ancestry and found several all connected to Rainmaker Moytoy. It show how many gens back we are related. I am hoping to find any records of John Ward (my great grandfather) and his wife Emma. KARYNBISHOF10@GMAIL.COMh, Rosemary G would you email me a copy of you ancestry.com your proof of Moytoy existing, please and do you know of any marriage or birth certificates of any Moytoy existing? Elizabeth said she was born June 15, 1848 in Monroe County, Tennessee and that her parents Hiram Goad and Eliza Jane Nickolson Goad were living there in 1851. (i'm also the granddaughter of richard essary sr.). Sharon. In several years of research I have not found them on any rolls.Your help would be appreciated.Carol. Chief Benge's father was Jphn Benge, a white trader who lived with the Indians for most of his adult life. I have information back to my great great grandmother and found her parents names once but haven't been able to find them since but the line went back to Pidgeon of Tellico and further back to Motoy(s). The "provable dna" blood-ties via validated lineages and delineations only became re-defined during the time of Native American removal [Trail of Tears for example], and federal rolls for purposes of documenting the Nation, by the US Government, came into effect. were you able to become recognized through any of these names?-karynkarynbishof10@gmail.com. This Jim White is a certifiable nut who sells fantasy genealogies on Lulu. On the way, the Cherokee leaders were discussing among themselves whether to kill all the residents of the settlement, or just the men. So DNA isn't going to tell you if you're Indian or not. He intended to attack Knoxville. Teach us what a real Cherokee is, please. "Working with Elizabeth Watts was an absolute pleasure. I am trying to verify the name of John L Dean on the Dawes Rolls. He planned to lead a campaign into the Cumberland region of Appalachia. Reference URL Share . What is so astonishing is that my mother is descended from Mary Moore Ayres and John Amory while my father is descended from Mary and Thomas Ayres! 4. Also - just to be clear - there are only 3 true Cherokee tribes. And there are free places to search the rolls.Just Google Dawes Roll but here is an easy one that is free http://www.okhistory.org/research/dawes. What did Joseph Vann inherit? There is a whole lot of those kind of things that get picked up & repeated over & over again. Sally Watts Haithman Query: . Hanging Maw was wounded, while his wife and daughter (along with several other Indians and one of the white delegates), were killed. Sorry, no records were found for this exact name. Thanks for the addition. Oh what a tangled web we weave when we first deceive! With DNA we could know what tribe or many different tribes, as in my case, but I cannot enroll because grandmothers married white men who wanted their wives to be white so their children would be white so they would not be persecuted, killed, rounded up and moved, tagged like cattle. His mother was Scent Morning Flower and his Father was Running Stream. I admire the Cherokee for their courage, artistic talent and spiritual wisdom. I had wondered as an Engish man how I could have inherited Native American DNA. My ancestor Richard G.Paris is buried in Paris Cemetery Clinton County Indiana(1789-1845). I am descended through Moytoy the Pigeon, Willenawah Great Eagle, Chief Doublehead, Gu-Lu-Sti-Yu, Nannie Riley. They had four children, 3 boys and a girl. He seems to base his claim on the fact that Bob Benge, Sequoyah, and Talonteskee, known to be related, all lived in the same town at one point. That would be part English. I am trying to find my possible connection to the Eastern Cherokee Nation. We have estimated Elizabeth Watts's net worth , money, salary, income, and assets. I am looking for any information on Cherokee ancestry and any possible mention of ancestors in any rolls. I was researching my Indian heritage on another side of my tree, then happened upon this information, it seems that my GG grandmother also kept the fact that they had Indian blood in the family a secret. with the address of 201 KING RD FRISCO, TX 75036+9108. He is suppose to be called "The End Of The Trail". number. God Bless You . My info shows that he died that same year.I am a related. About* Elizabeth Watts, LMSW is a social worker in Herkimer, NY. In large part because the man responsible (who had lost his family in an Indian raid) was a close friend of John Sevier, the trial proved to be a farce. Charlotte a. kirkland, My family is also kin to Granny Hopper and Thomas Essary. My 5th great grandmother was Robin Joyce Moytoy " Raven" daugther of Chief Standing Turkey Moytoy Most beloved of the Cherokees Boen in 1704. in TN. I'd love to see your DNA results. The Carpenter family were royalty in England, I believe an owned many ships. )Timothy Carl Jones(Adopted Legal Name). John Jolly had a white father, possibly Robert Due, and a Cherokee mother but nothing else is known of his parents. Many of the modern surnames in the dictionary can be traced back to Britain and Ireland, Do not sell or share my personal information. Combien gagne t il d argent ? Malachi was born in 1813 in Georgia and died in 1864 in Cane Hill, Arkansas. brother of Talonteskee, born about 1770. Thanks for that info on the Dawes but with out more specific names I can't connect it to my tree. View Sharon Watts results in Iowa (IA) including current phone number, address, relatives, background check report, and property record with Whitepages. Have you found a role number yet? After all, the real Cherokee were the Chiaha and the Chiaha were connected to all of the mound-pyramid cultures from Illinois, Indiana, Michigan and Ohio clear down to Brazil, Bolivia, and Peru through the ancient trade philosophy of the Kituwa (Sacred Fire). I am related to Chief Moytoy on my mothers side. As for Corn Blossom GAH wholly fictional. I wish there was a way to edit.after further consideration, I am actually a descendant of Old Hop, which appears in different accounts to have been adopted by Moytoy. I was only four years old when my parents came to the Indian Territory and I am now ninety-three years old. Watts signed the 1791 Treaty of Holston, along with fellow war leaders: Doublehead, Bloody Fellow, Black Fox (a future chief of the Cherokee Nation), The Badger (Dragging Canoe's brother), and Rising Fawn. My Grandmother's is named Ethel May (Carpenter ) Fisher . What do you know about that identity, Vann? You will be hearing from my Attorney forthwith.Furthermore, Thomas Carpenter did not descend from the Ancient European families Cited on Your BOGUS Website, which his family of Plymouth Devonshire Family did not orginate Europe.The following Quote Was STOLEN From http://dauglaku.com by wannabe Shawnee Liar Don Greene author of Shanee Heritage et al in 2003 which, was and still is a Formal Copyright Registered Trademark Website in Early 2003.The Carpenter family of Devonshire & Plymouth England were small sailing ship owners, many of which were leased out to the East India Trading Company, an affiliation dating to the formation of that company December 31, 1600. Old Hop and Su-gi had a daughter named Grasshopper and she married David McDaniel a registered Indian trader. With one simple test, you can discover your genetic origins and find family you never knew you had. Phil T. PDT928@gmail.com. Moore, John Trotwood and Austin P. Foster. Can we clean up the profile of "Wurteh Watts" ? 124 confirmed names, back to chief moytoy yet not accepted.if you have anything to help you can email me at karynbishof10@gmail.com, Hello, (very distant) cousin. Militia. I believe he should be detached from Wurteh. His research is very extensive and was/is on point with the information that was given to me. All the info I have matches, and I learned even more of the story. To be recognized by The Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma, The Eastern Band of Cherokees in North Carolina and the United Keetowah Band in Oklahoma, you must show a relationship with a member who is on the Dawes Rolls. Does anyone have any information of direct descendants of Moytoy I or II that are on the Dawes Final Rolls? Try Elizabeth "Quatsey" Betsy McDaniel whom was married to James Thomas Essary. DID YOU EVER RECEIVE ONE? Powered by . This does get confusing. The old cherokee tribe also had numerous links to kentucky.other tribes and early euro traders had to pay the cherokee kings lease and trade fees for being in cherokee territory much like the king powhatan era. On the way to Knoxville, the war party encountered the small settlement of Cavett's Station. View Elizabeth Watts results in Mississippi (MS) including current phone number, address, relatives, background check report, and property record with Whitepages. James and his mother also descend from several of the old Cherokee warriors you noted in your vitriolic post, as do I, so if anyone should be ashamed, it's not me for my ancestors, but you for spreading ignorant, easily debunked lies. Obediah Benge lived in Georgia while John Benge was also alive and living there. If anyone has more info please email me tmmorris@hughes.net. Discover your family history in millions of family trees and more than a billion birth, marriage, death, census, and military records. The same Joseph Vann who Cheucunsene (Dragging Canoe) vowed to kill if he ever stepped foot in Cherokee lands again. They had 11 children: Aley Cherokee Indian Evans (born Watts), Elizabeth WATTS and 9 other children. If you just do your own research and study based on factual truth like I did, then you will see that this Thomas Pasmere Corn Planter Carpenter is nothing more than a made up fictional and fraudulent character. I am still a little confused on the wives an children. Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians (1824-present), Cherokee Nation in Indian Territory (18391907), United Keetoowah Band of Cherokee Indians (1939present), This page was last edited on 30 December 2022, at 05:30. My email is billallison60@gmail.com and I am very interested in any information concerning this. Watts intervened and saved another young boy, handing him to Vann, who put the boy behind him on his horse and later handed him over to three of the Muscogee for safe-keeping. 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